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Post by sherwynz on Mar 31, 2006 22:56:23 GMT -5
I am looking for information on Grove St. John in the Sisseton records.
Can anyone assist me with any leads about him and a relative by the name of Hears The Voice? SZ
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Post by tamara on Mar 31, 2006 23:33:13 GMT -5
The name sounds familar to me and most of the StJohn families are from the Sisseton or Crow Creek reservation. I will check the information I have and post it.
Tamara
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Post by sandyh on Mar 31, 2006 23:40:32 GMT -5
sherwynz,
There was a Grover St John that lived here in the Fort Thompson area. Here is how his family goes as per my parents memory:
Father - Cleveland St John
Mother - Phoebe (Ear) St John
Son - Grover
Son - Alfred
Son - Norman
Son - Roland
Hope this helps you. sandyh
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Post by sherwynz on Mar 31, 2006 23:56:23 GMT -5
Tamara and Sandyh,
Thanks for your response. Was there another Grover or Bolter St. John? There may be more than one Grover or Bolter. SZ
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Post by marnie on Apr 7, 2006 15:03:50 GMT -5
On a baptism record for my Grandfather Oscar, his father is listed as Joseph Goodteacher with parents Peter St John and Anna Tohazadan Joseph was the Reverand Joseph Goodteacher I haven't esearched this side because someone said the goodteachers are'n on the census. I probably should anyway. I did ask about Anna Tohazadan but got no feedback. I wish I knew what Tohazadan stands for in translation. How does Hears the voice spell out in native language? Thanks,  marnie |
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Post by hermin1 on Apr 10, 2006 2:53:36 GMT -5
You keep jumping from one name to another hoping to find a connection. I am beginning to wonder if you even know who your own ancestors were.
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Post by sherwynz on Apr 10, 2006 9:40:54 GMT -5
Believe me, I know who my ancestors are, but I don't stop there. I'm searching for another family is also looking for relatives, because they don't have the resources to do it themselves. This is my service to the people. Just trying to help as many as possible. Some are just now starting to research their family history. SZ
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Post by tamara on Apr 10, 2006 10:10:16 GMT -5
Sherwyn, I can relate and do the same thing. That is how things are done in Indian Country. I am sure I look like I am doing the same thing when actually I am not even trying to connect myself!! When I come across a family that is desperate or discouraged, I cant help but see what I might ask or find out that can help them. If I am not mistaken, that is what this site is for. I see nothing wrong with jumping around and asking names in any case.
( From, now on when I come to this board, I am going to go stand by Sherwyn in the scrambling around and looking for lots of people and trying to help everyone section! )
Tamara
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Post by tamara on Apr 10, 2006 10:19:20 GMT -5
I am sorry I am not familiar with the Crow Creek St John family, and I actually should be or hope to be in the future. The are my relatives. All I have known on them is that there is a connnection between them and the Sisseton St John family in that the family from Crow Creek all desend from a man named Solomon, I think and he is a brother (?) of Moses St John of Sisseton. The Sisseton family name comes from a man possibly non-indian or mixed named Victor St John. If I understand the history told to me, Victor is the father of Soloman as well. I have been going over the Sisseton St John family and do not see a Peter at all and so he is not from the Sisseton Agency. I am sending you to your email address a census image I had from searching St John in Hughes county in 1930. It shows Peter St John b 1872 and wife Jennie St John. The is also someone living with them named Not Afraid of Bear.
Tamara
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Post by wazi on Apr 10, 2006 10:27:04 GMT -5
Hey thanks Sherwyn for helping out. I end up doing this to because of how people are connected into the Frazier and Tuttle line. If I have the information I am more than willing to share it. Besides who wants this forum to be just about getting on the list forum (I think there is already on of these). We should want it to be about finding our roots and being happy to find eachother forum.
Have a wonderful Spring day
wazi
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Post by marnie on Apr 10, 2006 11:26:45 GMT -5
Thanks very much to all of you that freely help us with whatever info you have to share. I may or not find my connection but I feel that there is one. I am related to the Trudells, Lawrences, Goodteachers, Henrys, Johnsons, so I will keep trying until I have no more hope.  marnie |
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Post by Barbara on Apr 10, 2006 18:46:24 GMT -5
I feel like I need to add the little bit that I have found
1900 US Federal Census for Crow Creek Indian Reservation, Buffalo, South Dakota District 376
Joe St John head of household White Male July 1832 age 68 married 16 yrs born Illinois both parents show born in Illinois
Sophia St. John wife Indian Female March 1840 age 60 married 16 years born South Dakota both parents show born South Dakota
children listed
Joe son Indian Male April 1873
Grover son Indian Male April 1877
Julia daughter Indian female February 1882
Benjamin son Indian male March 1886
the census also states 4 children born to this mother but only 3 now living
I'm having trouble reading the tribe listed for the mother and children looks like L. Youktani
it also indiactes for Sophia the year citizenship was aquired was 1892 because of allotment
I hope this helps
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Post by sherwynz on Apr 11, 2006 16:15:46 GMT -5
Barbara, Thank you so much. This may be the information that the family has needed. I will share this with them to guide them on to their next step in their family research. SZ
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Post by Barbara on Apr 11, 2006 18:39:34 GMT -5
just located Indian Fee Patent for Grover C. St John, Buffalo County, South Dakota
5th Meridian township 107 N range 069 W Section 016 160 acres County 017 (Type 253400 this number is what indicates it's an Indian Fee Patent) case type PA doc id # 308213 date 01/08/1913
The packet for this can be ordered through the National Archives
Barbara
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Post by mdenney on May 4, 2006 20:29:25 GMT -5
Yes...thank you for the info.
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Post by hermin1 on May 4, 2006 23:30:51 GMT -5
marnie: I wish you would have said something, that you were helping others.Not that it matters any, I am not a mind reader. I am not here to try to connect anybody to anything. I am here to help people find information on their family, or whomever. so please acccept my apology if I was blunt with you.
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Post by tamara on May 5, 2006 14:03:30 GMT -5
marnie: I wish you would have said something, that you were helping others.Not that it matters any, I am not a mind reader. I am not here to try to connect anybody to anything. I am here to help people find information on their family, or whomever. so please acccept my apology if I was blunt with you. ... and do a darn good job of helping people do just that! |
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Post by hermin1 on May 6, 2006 0:00:59 GMT -5
thanks for the compliment.
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Post by peacekeeper on May 6, 2006 0:11:39 GMT -5
hermin
did you get the records i emailed you a couple of days ago?
Yes I did, Jackie. I thank you very very much!!!.
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Post by hermin1 on May 6, 2006 12:28:41 GMT -5
Yoou can also get a copy of the original land patent at the Bureau of Land Mangement, at their web site. Select Search for Land Patents.
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marnie
